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Poster: hambam Date: Sep 9, 2010 8:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Tennesee Jed - horribly stupid question

I'm sure i'll get my e-ass kicked for asking this, but i've always wondered.
When they say "better get back to tennesee jed", is tennesee jed a person that they are heading back to, are are they saying better head back to tennesee, jed. as though they are talking to jed.
also i don't know how to spell tennesee.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Sep 9, 2010 8:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tennesee Jed - horribly stupid question

Both.

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Poster: zeroenvy Date: Sep 9, 2010 5:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tennesee Jed fastest/slowest

I always loved comparing these two.. I call it the fastest/slowest tennesee Jed.

Fastest
http://www.archive.org/details/gd71-10-19.orefm.clugston.3301.sbeok.shnf

Slowest
http://www.archive.org/details/gd76-06-14.sbd.hollister.22804.sbeok.shnf



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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Sep 9, 2010 8:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tennesee Jed - horribly stupid question

On the GD Annotated lyrics page the comma is there

http://artsites.ucsc.edu/GDead/agdl/tjed.html

Plus some interesting notes - composed in Spain for instance, while on vino!

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Sep 9, 2010 11:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tennesee Jed - horribly stupid question

GratefulDead_Logo_sm.jpg
Tennessee Jed chorus
Tennessee, Tennessee
There ain't no place I'd rather be
Baby won't you carry me
Back to Tennessee


I lived in ne Tennessee for a year in 1974 and 1975. Most of it was in the Johnson City area, also a couple of months in Nashville. I taped shows and I was a soundman for a band named Country Comfort. I wrote an interesting story about 3 of Country Comfort's fiddle players in one of my postings here recently.

Wiley Cox and his wife were from Tennessee. Wiley Cox was Country Comfort's hippie lead singer, frontman, and mandolin player. They had an album out. He was married with a couple of kids and lived in Kingsport, Tenn. He owned and operated the only headshop in town. I used to hang out there all the time. Only a couple of years earlier, he and his family were living in Los Angeles, Calif, when they experienced their first serious earthquake. They moved back to Tenn immediately, the next day. The chorus phrasing says it all. To me, that sounds exactly like Wiley Cox telling me about moving back to Tennessee. Wiley died over 10 years ago.

He blacked my eye and he kicked my dog - For certain, kicking Jed's dog is a huge insult to anyone living in Tennessee.

I have archived here items relating to bluegrass and newgrass in the mid-1970s. These include my tapes, photos, sound system documentation, and some storytelling. I've been to many bluegrass festivals, concerts, clubs, and jams. I toured with 3 professional Bluegrass bands as their soundman. I have met dozens of banjo players.

Tennessee banjo-player values were very widely held when I lived there. Listed in their order of importance:
a) most important - the banjo
b) 2nd most important - the dog
c) 3rd most important - the wife

Tennessee Jed seems to me to be "Tennessee, Jed". I taped GD playing it several times in 1973. Tennessee Jed played at RFK Stadium was a beauty. Jer liked singing this song. The crowd enjoyed it. Robert Hunter's lyrics are wonderful. RFK Stadium was pretty exciting. I have a very special place in my heart for this song.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Sep 9, 2010 6:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tennesee Jed - horribly stupid question

Thanks, very cool.

I also think part of the appeal is how much fun Jerry has singing it. I can't see how anyone dislikes it; it may not be the most transporting or profound song in their repertoire, and when you've heard a bunch of TJ's recently, you don't need to hear it for awhile. But it's always fun and rollicking.

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Poster: patkelleyPA Date: Sep 9, 2010 8:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tennesee Jed - horribly stupid question

I think that Jed is being instructed to head back to Tennessee. Strangely, this song was only played in Tennessee 4 times, and was not played when the boys have played in various combinations at Bonnaroo. I think.

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Sep 9, 2010 8:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tennesee Jed - horribly stupid question

with a comma. ass kickings only when deserved.

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Poster: Headphone Date: Sep 9, 2010 11:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tennesee Jed - horribly stupid question

Special song for me, it's what they were playing in the sound check as we approached the Summer Jam '73 at Watkins Glen.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 9, 2010 12:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tennesee Jed - horribly stupid question

Not to be too contrary, but I think your question was misinterpreted by some:

"is tennesee jed a person that they are heading back to"

means to me that you are asking is there a person, somewhere, named "TJ", that the singer is encouraged to return to (a la "see my lady...Louisiana Lady" in which the singer is returning to a lady name "LA Lady", right?).

I think the answer to this is unequivocally "no", as the Dog clearly states "better head back to TN, Jed," and the dog is clearly talking to the singer. Ergo, the singer is Jed. And the dog is smart.

Or is this once again over my head with nuance and subtlety? Melodrama even?

And why on Earth do you really hate this so much, Dire? I've never gotten the skinny on this; is there a prior thread of splaining?

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Poster: cosmic charlie dupree Date: Sep 9, 2010 8:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tennesee Jed - horribly stupid question

I always wondered that too.... chalk it up to Hunter's veiled lyrical style. I think it's the second interpretation - talking to Jed. Although under that interpretation the line "My doggie turned to me and he said Let's head back to Tennessee Jed", would imply that the narrator is himself Jed. A comma between Tennessee and Jed sure would clarify things, right?

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Sep 9, 2010 9:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tennesee Jed - horribly stupid question

This is really subjective, but I think that ringolevio is correct that it's both: the song is about a character called Tennessee Jed; when he quotes people talking to him, they say things like "you'd better head back to Tennessee, Jed."

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Sep 9, 2010 9:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tennesee Jed - horribly stupid question

Exactly, Jed is continually being told to head back to Tennessee, where he "belongs"; thus he is also known as Tennessee Jed.

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Poster: jolly mon Date: Sep 9, 2010 8:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tennesee Jed - horribly stupid question

here's one from DC, I made this show back in the day....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7oNS-bDZqc

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Poster: whirlwind dreamer 65-95 Date: Sep 9, 2010 6:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tennesee Jed - horribly stupid question

yeah i was at that show. i always enjoyed t-jed live. for some reason the ice cream kid from europe-72 cover art always flashed in my head and i just laughed through out the tune. :) gone are the dayze!!

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Poster: wineland Date: Sep 9, 2010 8:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tennesee Jed - horribly stupid question

The Annotated Lyrics show a comma. Some other interesting background here too:
http://artsites.ucsc.edu/GDead/agdl/tjed.html

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Sep 9, 2010 9:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tennesee Jed - horribly stupid question

hahahahah - beat you to it

:~)

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Poster: wineland Date: Sep 9, 2010 9:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tennesee Jed - horribly stupid question

Curses! And I would have beat you to it if it wasn't for those meddling lot rats selling their 3 bean veggie burritos.

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Poster: craven714 Date: Sep 9, 2010 9:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tennesee Jed - horribly stupid answer

only Dire knows for sure

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Sep 9, 2010 9:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tennesee Jed - horribly stupid answer

His favorite song

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Sep 9, 2010 9:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tennesee Jed - horribly stupid answer

i wish they would have fuckin buried it somewhere in Tennessee even before the very first time it was played!!!!



;)

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Sep 9, 2010 10:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tennesee Jed - horribly stupid answer

Remember this thread

http://www.archive.org/post/196516/ok-if-you-arent-interested-in-another-glassberg-motb-skip-this-post

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Poster: madmonkmcphee Date: Sep 9, 2010 4:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tennesee Jed - horribly stupid answer

Their are definitely some incredibly f-ed up, sloppy TJ's, but I love how Jerry mimics a howling dog after the "kicked my dog line." Rockin' the Rhein has got to be the tightest, most fun version I've heard

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Sep 9, 2010 7:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tennesee Jed - horribly stupid answer

agreed that Rhein has one of the better versions - decent harmony on that one also.

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Poster: craven714 Date: Sep 10, 2010 6:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tennesee Jed - horribly stupid answer

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Sep 9, 2010 11:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Tennessee Jed - Why, Jerry? Why?

Or is that just me and Dire who feel that way?

Did anyone ever come out of a show saying "Wow, that show was OK, but the TJ blew the roof off the place."

Or has anyone ever asked "What is your favorite TJ?"
If I WAS ever asked that question, I believe my answer would be "The last one. Ever."

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Sep 9, 2010 12:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tennessee Jed - Why, Jerry? Why?

I always liked TJ, nice rollicking tune, short and sweet. Certainly not ever intended as a show-stopper. But I agree some songs are momentum killers, like Row Jimmy, China Doll, even Stella Blue.... much as I like some of these.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Sep 9, 2010 1:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tennessee Jed - Why, Jerry? Why?

love the TJ lyrics!! for whatever reason the tune itself just seems to drag for me. i tend to hit the skip button 95% of the time when a show has it in the setlist.

as much as i love Stella like you do, i agree that sometimes it can grind a rockin show to a halt and remind you of the misery of life - lol.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Sep 9, 2010 6:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tennessee Jed - Why, Jerry? Why?

I kind of feel that way about Stella Blue. It really is a nice song, but in some ways it's also a drag.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Sep 9, 2010 7:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tennessee Jed - Why, Jerry? Why?

no kiddin.

great song, but if China Doll is the "suicide song," than you wouldnt want to listen to Stella too often in a down mood with a loaded 9mm in your hand

;)

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Sep 9, 2010 7:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tennessee Jed - Why, Jerry? Why?

that's right 'cus China Doll ends upbeat, suggests redemption, Stella does not. Obvious I guess - I never thought much about Stella (whereas I've tortured myself trying to figure out China Doll).

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Sep 9, 2010 8:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tennessee Jed - Why, Jerry? Why?

hmmmm - i see "stasis" at the end or china doll moreso than redemption, but i can certainly understand your interpretation. to me the lyric seems to tail off prior to any hope for redemption. fracturing and "nervousness" can sometimes be a fate worse than death. (from a literary standpoint anyways.)

maybe i just tend to look at the gloomier side of that type of lyric/written word.

or maybe i'm just reading too much Chuck Palahniuk :)

but i certainly agree that Stella doesnt even hold a flicker of hope throughout its lyrics. actually, replaying it in head just now it seems even more depressing than i gave it credit for.

now i am sad. thanks a lot!!

;)

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Sep 10, 2010 4:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tennessee Jed - Why, Jerry? Why?

Sorry :) Yeah, "redemption" is too strong a word but the ending *feels* upbeat to me even if the lyrics don't really confirm that.

Chuck Palahniuk - UGH. I read one of his and don't need to read any more. Clever plots but pointlessly raunchy. IMO.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Sep 10, 2010 12:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tennessee Jed - Why, Jerry? Why?

yeah, Palahniuk can be a VERY tough read. He is a wonderful writer though - stylistically and thematically.

He is touted as one of the better "Transgressional" writers. Naturally, this would imply that he is by no means for everyone. Ive loved every one of his books other than Choke and Snuff - thought those two were rather weak.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Sep 10, 2010 5:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tennessee Jed - Why, Jerry? Why?

I think the one I read was Choke. The guy who fakes choking in restaurants in order to get someone to save his life and then feel responsible for him?
I don't mind things being a little raunchy but I just thought that book was brutal and I didn't see the point.

If you say there are others that are better I will tentatively put him back on my "Consider reading some day" list.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Sep 11, 2010 10:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tennessee Jed - Why, Jerry? Why?

yup - that is Choke. A categorically uninspired and unimpressive read with unwarranted gratuitousness. The movie is even worse (i made it through about 20 minutes)

dont get me wrong - all of his books push the boundaries of the "acceptable." But if you do decide to give him one last shot, Diary may be the novel to turn to. FAR less "gratuitous" and a very very interesting story with a pretty cool, thoughtful, and unexpected ending.

Not trying to push him on you at all!!

p.s. DON'T read Snuff - if you thought Choke was ranchy.....

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Poster: snori Date: Sep 9, 2010 3:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tennessee Jed - Why, Jerry? Why?

It's that loping riff that turns me off. I have to admit I stay with it to check out the solo because many of them are fine. But once that's over ...

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Poster: drspark61 Date: Sep 9, 2010 12:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tennessee Jed - Why, Jerry? Why?

I've often felt the same way about Row Jimmy. My attitude about both probably stems from the fact that somtimes they are total downtempo momentum killers in an otherwise smoking set.

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Poster: jds121291 Date: Sep 9, 2010 4:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tennessee Jed - Why, Jerry? Why?

i never got into row jimmy either but one of my friends really digs it. along with looks like rain!

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Sep 9, 2010 1:54pm
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always loved Row Jimmy, but like you imply, it is better to hear a recording of rather than a tempo-killer while attending a show. never mind the fact it should always be ended about 2 1/2 minutes before it finally does end. i mean really, how LOONNGGGG can Jimmy really fuckin ROW!!!
After the 4th or 5th repetition of the phrase, i just wish Jimmy would drown already!!

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Sep 9, 2010 5:58pm
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LOL, you wish Jimmy would drown, that cracks me up; hard to see how poor Jimmy can inspire such hostility.

Row Jimmy to me is one of those songs where I don't feel very excited to hear the first few bars, but once they're into it, I'm into it. Maybe that's just me.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Sep 9, 2010 7:38pm
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i guess my hostility IS a bit misdirected :)

my heartfelt apologies to Jimmy and his heavy plight. i guess i just dont need Jerry et al incessantly imploring the poor bugger to Row over and over and over again - i mean, yeeeesh...

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 9, 2010 8:38pm
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Hey D--I had to chime in to say that my wife has the same opinion about J and his rowing...of course, it never got much play time round here the past five yrs, but I did get the 73 boxed set, and tried to use that song to convince her Donna could harmonize.

She insisted "no, she cannot...that song proves it...and I hate how repetitive it is".

I really should've learned after 30 yrs, eh?

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Sep 9, 2010 9:07pm
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but does she not like the oftentimes beautiful guitar work during the instrumental portion?? her eyes dont roll into the back of her head in ecstatic bliss like mine do?? (damn! my wife's dont either)

and the more i think about it, repetitive is an understatement for the choral ending to some of the versions.

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Sep 9, 2010 8:31pm
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dude, jimmy's rowing for the rest of eternity. if he drowns, there'll be another to replace him, and another, and another. if humans blow this planet up and start living in space, jimmy will be rowing in space. it must be true cuz jerry told me so during an immaculate slide solo just before he told me that my broken heart don't hurt as much as i thought.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Sep 9, 2010 9:05pm
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shit!!!

if that's the case, i'm pulling the nails out of the pine wood floor and taking my existential grass shack elsewhere!!

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Sep 9, 2010 9:07pm
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you're either on the boat or off the boat

i'm on the boat, until it sinks, then i'm swimming for damn sure.



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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Sep 9, 2010 9:39pm
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luckily i have an ocean kayak that cannot sink, so i can just hold on for dear life and ride the waves


:)

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Poster: zeroenvy Date: Sep 9, 2010 1:57pm
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Believe it or not, tenessee Jed is the song that got me really hooked.

I had Truckin', Tennesee Jed, and Ripple on a mixtape. truckin' was always a good tune, ripple was alright, but one day i was really baked drving around up here in MASS listening to tennessee Jed, During the solo when the whole band crescendoes just blew my mind. I thought "I need to find more songs like that!"

In fact, when i first started coming to the archives I would skim through shows by clicking the "TJ" and listening to the opening notes. I was amazed at how each time the tone would be a little different yet the song was awsome everytime.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Sep 9, 2010 6:01pm
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I relate. That and Ramblin' Rose can definitely draw in newbies.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Sep 9, 2010 2:04pm
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That is a perfect example of how varied the folks around these parts can be. While TJ is a tune almost always a victim of the skip button for Dire and me, some folks thouroughly enjoy it. And that is a good thing. No judgement from here because you like it...just please don't blast it in my immediate vicinity.

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Poster: jolly mon Date: Sep 9, 2010 8:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tennesee Jed - horribly stupid question

Their talkiing about Jed from the Beverly Hillbillies, moving out to Cali from Tennessee.